Between Two Ellens* is a podcast hosted by Oklahoma Rep. Ellyn Hefner and Rep. Ellen Pogemiller.

Together, they dive into pressing state issues through both a legislative and a community lens.

Each episode features conversations with experts, advocates, and Oklahoma legislators to highlight diverse perspectives and practical solutions shaping Oklahoma’s future.

Meet the Ellens*

Ellyn Hefner

Representative Ellyn Hefner has a diverse career background that includes owning a business, working as a health coordinator with the Oklahoma Family Network, a non-profit that supports families who have a child with a disability, a Financial Advisor, and a Chartered Special Needs Consultant. In that role, Rep. Hefner helps families plan their retirement by creating a financial plan which includes a plan for their child with a disability including government benefits, special needs trusts and social security. Additionally, she has served as the Chairman of the board of the Daily Living Centers in Oklahoma City, President of the Sotos Syndrome Support Association International.

Representative Hefner became more involved in public policy efforts after graduating in 2013 from Partners in Policymaking, a leadership training program designed to teach individuals with disabilities and family members the power of advocacy to positively change the way people with disabilities are supported, viewed, taught, live and work. She is a LEND fellow, Oklahoma Leadership Education in Neurodevelopmental and Related Disabilities, an interdisciplinary leadership education program funded by the federal Maternal and Child Health Bureau in the US Health Resources and Services Administration. She has also served on the Oklahoma State Developmental Disabilities Services (DDS) advisory committee which provides input on DDS policy proposed by the Department of Human Services. Most of her advocacy is held in the disability realm, where she has served as an ambassador for Oklahoma's ABLE accounts with the State Treasurer's office.

Currently, she serves on The Santa Fe Family Life Center Board and development committee. in Oklahoma City. The SFFLC is an all-adaptive sports and fitness center. She is a member of Our Lady of Perpetual Help Catholic Church. In her spare time, Hefner sweep rows with The River Sirens on The RIVERSPORT Corporate Rowing League. 

Ellen Pogemiller

Representative Ellen Pogemiller serves as the State Representative for House District 88. She was first elected in November 2024 and currently serves on the Education, Public Health, Appropriations & Budget – Human Services, and General Government Committees. Before her election to the legislature, Rep. Pogemiller worked for the Oklahoma Education Association, the Regional Food Bank of Oklahoma, and the American Red Cross. Throughout her career, she has focused on building both formal and informal partnerships that bring stakeholders together to tackle complex challenges, find practical solutions, and advocate for meaningful change.